The Furry Fandom's Fraud Fetish
Quote: "It's easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been fooled."
- Mark Twain
A Preamble; I remember when I first joined the fandom, and decided I wanted to be a musician within it. No one was really making Pop music like I wanted to make, and the day I decided to abandon using my “human” name in my art was the climax of an internal months-long struggle. I also decided if I was going to put music out there for people to listen to, that I would fund it entirely myself. I didn’t want to start my time in this community by asking for money, or borrowing, or anything like that. Maybe it’s a symptom of how I was raised, but regardless I held true to that goal and managed to release 2 full length, studio recorded, mixed, and mastered albums. All I’ve ever had is a Patreon, and my supporters' names have been permanently etched into the inside cover of both physical CD releases. I had sought to make my work as professional as possible, and hoped that this sheen of professionalism would be appreciated by the community I was just beginning to join.
Skipping ahead over the dirge years of COVID in which most cons were frozen, things are relatively back to normal now (even if they really shouldn’t be). Thus the fandom carries on! But these past few years have been transformative for many of us, and brought to light the side of the furry fandom I had long heard about but was now witnessing in full view.
Kickstarter integrity
It first began when IndyFurCon and Midwest FurFest both selected Trio Menagerie as their guests of honor in 2024. I’ve long held that creators with unkept Kickstarter promises should NOT be celebrated, and this position remained true when Garden State Fur the Weekend picked Niic the Singing Dog as their GOH for this year. The former group raised $9k on Kickstarter 4 years ago for 2 albums, and only just delivered the first a month ago. While the latter doggo raised $13k 8 YEARS AGO for an album that, to date, has still not materialized. This sort of thing puts a pit in my stomach. While some events are deliberately selecting these acts to be provocative (and continually shutting out genuine fandom acclaimed and Kickstarter project deliverer Pepper Coyote by contrast *cough*MFF*cough*), I wondered where the line would be drawn. How far this internal bias would go, and what it would reveal. How little does professionalism, or even basic human decency, matter to this group of animals?
Then Texas Furry Fiesta 2025 happened. Now I have been a musical guest twice at this con before, in 2020 and 2022, but found myself rejected this year. No biggie, but when I looked at the actual posted concert lineup, things got…weird and uncomfortable.
Let me explain why
Last year I posted a video to YouTube that was the product of about 3 years worth of research and personal trauma. It was a video regarding a member of our community, and how they used a lie that they had 8 Grammy Awards (the highest normie award for sound recordings) as means to justify countless Guest Of Honor appearances at furry cons around the country. Literally having fur cons print their Grammy lie unchecked in convention books, websites, and other materials. They had also raised 10k on Kickstarter for a 10 track album that took 4 years to complete, and only had 5 of the 10 promised original songs on it. As someone not in those supposed “Popufur” circles where this person spends their time, I had no previous or personal relationship with the fraudster behind this bull (besides one time I was physically intimidated by them at MFF 2021), and thought this situation was pretty cut and dry. Dozens of people have since commented on the video with their own experiences with this guy, and the video itself has since amassed a whopping 25k views. I still get private DMs from people afraid to speak publicly about this guy, even from people who directly know his ex and what happened between them. Even without Flayrah buzz or Dogpatch Press seemingly giving a crap about a genuine case of deception in our community that falls apart with a simple Google search. How did not a single person in a decade of conventions even bother to do a background check on this guy?
So imagine my complete and utter shock when I saw on the TFF 2025 Concert lineup, playing mainstage, was the star of my video. I couldn’t believe it. He had been dead on most social media for months since my video dropped, and is not even a currently active furry creator (the full time Twitch streamer also not having gone live since May of 2024). Hell, even his BAND had broken up around the time their long overdue album finally dropped! His many victims in the comments of my video had thought his goose was finally cooked. But…there he was. Getting his hotel room, flight, and registration compensated by Texas Furry Fiesta like nothing happened. Like he had truly earned his place here and would not be going anywhere anytime soon. When I reached out to the convention’s musician booking director, I was told this:
Quote: “He is a good performer, kind person, and helps out the community by building people up. It would be nice if all individuals did that. End of conversation.”
Unbelievable nonsense given his history of public intimidation of more successful acts within the furry music space. Not even mentioning how he traumatized his ex into silence, who now lives in constant fear of his retaliation should she speak out. Oh, and to make matters worse, Pepper Coyote was at TFF 2025 as well. With a concert! What’s so bad about that? Well, the event didn’t even do him the dignity of listing him on their concert playbill, or listing him as a guest musician on their website. And yet I’m being lectured about how a guy who LIED about his industry cred for a decade is “lifting people up”, when the guy who actually creates spaces for new or upcoming furry musicians, Pepper Coyote, isn’t even given a modicum of respect by the con. One of these two people threatened me to my face at a con for having a crowd bigger than his, the other has collabed with me and invited me to perform on stage with him. This is an utterly maddening comparison, but let’s continue.
For added historical levity
This happened around the time that ALL of the brony musicians from the final Babscon walked out in solidarity with a former staff member after they were fired for hiring a particular musician a con executive didn’t like. I never would’ve imagined the pony music scene would actually have the fortitude to make such collective action. To take a public stand against an event that was paying all of them in some way to perform and attend. What did the musicians do instead? They pooled resources to put on their own FREE pony music concert just down the street from the convention center, DURING the con. Wow.
If such a thing was attempted in the furry fandom, I think it’s safe to say that every musician who walked out would be blacklisted indefinitely from all cons, or at least the con they were supposed to perform at. There have been attempts at furry music festivals, but they’ve all been busts that were more dream than budget. I’ve made a separate video on my YouTube channel about the fraud that was the Aural Alliance Festival in Germany last summer. Another great case study of the fandom’s love for big ideas that fail on execution, yet no one who platformed the con artist behind it ever had to apologize for endorsing the endeavor, or doing free marketing of it to their young impressionable audience (i.e. Misha B. Barkin’s 3 positive videos on it). Go watch it!
I attempted to raise my concerns with TFF, apparently greenlighting the undeserved worship of this furry grifter, and was subsequently banned from all the con’s online groups. I’m sure the con will come up with some perfect excuse for this behavior to throw me under the bus rather than actually publicly state why they rolled the red carpet out for the fandom’s most famous fraud musician. We’re in a truly unique situation where con staff are seen as unquestionable and infallible, simultaneously choosing to stand by problematic people they platform for seemingly no tangible reason other than personal bias. Something is deeply and horrifically wrong with this community when complaining about an apparent “staff favorite” furry is cause for a ban. I began to wonder what it could be, and why fraud was given such a pass on seemingly every level by this community. Why everyone seemed so deeply incurious or uninterested in knowing the follow up to proposed events, solicited donations, and more.
One shining example is the Harvest Moon Howl Fest debacle that raised thousands, but the con never happened and all the money vanished. So I find it fascinating that one of the furry fandom’s most popular people to make a Guest of Honor nowadays, Chise, is the one who’s literal NAME is on the papers for HMHF’s nonprofit status. Why has no one had the balls to ask her what really happened to all that money? The most I’ve been able to get out of her was that she “handed the accounts over to someone that locked her out”, but who? Why has no one bothered to get her on the record officially about the event her legal name is on? Does the fandom not have any real journalists? Just people who enjoy taking the easiest, laziest shots imaginable? Forget following up, just keep making Guests of Honor out of people who over promise and don’t deliver. Apparently no one here cares about that. Even our community’s most famous so-called “journalist” Dogpatch would rather block people for bringing up this troubling trend than actually put the work in to expose it. Too busy getting clicks for personal vendettas on his blog, it seems.
Anyway, I digress
I’ve previously mentioned in my YouTube videos that I believe the fandom should recognize creators not for the quantity of output, but for the quality and support behind it. You could be a musician who releases a song a day everyday for a year, but if your listenership never passes 100 people for the whole year, that’s probably reflective of a lack of interest in the work, no matter how plentiful. But let’s say you release 1 song and it absolutely does gangbusters, everyone’s jamming out to it, etc. Is that to be seen as less than by our convention leadership because they’re more impressed by output than engagement? Or to put it another way, what if you put out some music a decade ago with nothing since, do you deserve a mainstage spot before a newer artist who has more than eclipsed your numbers in far less time? Or does it boil down ultimately to just being the kind of person the con staff like?
A former con running friend of mine said this regarding the situation:
Quote: “Good cons don’t care about draw. You’re confusing popularity with value to the convention.”
This stung, honestly. It’s just a fact that a musician like Pepper Coyote dwarfs just about everyone else in the fandom. So when he’s not treated with respect I wonder how much worse it’ll get for everyone else, and I’m never that surprised anymore. Numbers aren’t everything either, of course, but to add to that, Pepper averages around 140k monthly listeners on Spotify right now. I float around 4k, and the Grammy liar with over a dozen con GOH spots getting free hotel, flight and reg for TFF? 200. Not thousand, just 2 of the hundred variety. Yeah. So it’s clear cons do NOT care about pull, and are actively working to reject the idea of coordinating a music focused showcase that selects people based on the quality and quantity of their work in addition to their numerical following. We could absolutely be running furry music festivals that treat the performers with the dignity they deserve, but this selective respect is not the way. The cliquishness of the community is actively hindering itself from becoming the true space for furry creatives it could be. And no amount of public damnation of one’s character or integrity is enough to shake a con staffer’s unwavering support because con staff are always right. It doesn’t help that our community tends to categorize all “drama” as being of equal harm. Take me for example, I’ve never defrauded or over promised ANYONE ANYTHING in this community. Yet people think I should be treated worse than Foxler. Could it be simply because I share opinions while not having the built in support from the majority demographic of the most vocal online sects of the fandom? Well that’s too bad, because to be a furry, I don’t need to be loved by every other furry! Thank God. I love and respect the potential of what this space could be too much to actively play a part in its already advanced destruction. So I’m devoting my time to calling it out.
Quote: “Never realized furries hated Cassidy Civet more than Foxler.”
What happens now, then?
Well, obviously nothing. Cons are staffed by people who are set in their ways and not interested in critique. Honestly just writing this opinion piece might get me banned from an event or two, but to set the wikifur straight, I am not permanently banned from ANY furry events. And if I have been, the events haven’t had the courage to tell me about it. I learned how low the professionalism standards of this fandom were when IFC jerked me around for 8 months without a contract after announcing me as their Guest of Honor only to publicly rug pull me. I can only hope continuing to talk about the fandom’s incessant failures will result in them eventually being fixed by new staff in these critical decision making roles. But hey, if I wasn’t a dreamer, I wouldn’t have run for office twice in the last three months!
Quote: “No one gives a fuck, otherwise your video would be like #1 on Flayrah.”
Larger picture? Sadly, I think this is the long awaited culmination of the American mentality leaching into the fandom. Specifically the complacency that has set in more broadly with the culture of the progressive west. A lot of folks, elder queers in particular, saw the achievement of same sex marriage as the flagship achievement of the movement. But what’s happened since? I think we all know about how the last presidential election went. This is where I get to play my “I’m a Canadian” card, because a common global sentiment about this historical situation was that the first time he was elected, we felt bad for America. The second time, now we’re angry. You did this to yourself. And not only are you going to continue doing it yourself, you’re now bringing this lackadaisical attitude into the furry fandom. It appears that no lessons have been learned by the world’s biggest market, which is why many of us are now bracing for a recession, perhaps even worthy of being called a Depression. With the left continuing to fight itself instead of coming up with a coherent message to appeal to those disenfranchised by the system.
Furry convention leadership is much the same as the current Democratic party establishment in my eyes. A group of people who are becoming increasingly out of touch with the fandom they run events for, letting personal relationships, biases, and emotions take over decision making instead of using logic and reason. Ignoring the success of people they have vendettas against in order to glaze well known bullies. Staff more interested in lying to cover up for a friend than to face down the ever growing corruption tainting the inner workings of cons around North America. If the con establishment is Hilary Clinton, it’s clear folks like Pepper Coyote are Bernie Sanders. So it makes sense why they seem to hate him and others like him so much. We’re not interested in playing by the rules of people who appointed themselves kings of the cons they create. You are supposed to make spaces for ALL OF US, not just your friends, and not just the furries you like. The leadership in our community has done nothing to represent anyone that isn’t just another version of themselves. Furries have to start realizing that policing this space is dangerous and opens the door for much more intense forms of exclusion and division.
I get that the fandom is an escape from the real world, and I’m certainly no advocate for politics here, but is turning a blind eye to blatant fraud really where it’s gotten us? While many queer folk have fled to more liberal states, the attitude of isolationism and self righteousness prevails. The refusal to even acknowledge that maybe, just maybe, some of the people who really want to make a living sitting at home playing games with friends on Twitch aren’t actually the bastions of furry creativity they think they are? It’s time to wake up to the fact we have bad actors deeply embedded within the spaces we think are free from grift.
As a Canadian who is also visibly BIPOC, in addition to being asexual and trans femme, I’m going to be limiting my trips to the USA for the time being. Yes our furry conventions have just as much staff drama as down south, but the difference is our community is smaller up here. Even my home con VancouFur had multiple staff members this year that returned after years of absence because the con simply needed the help. Nevermind those people had spent their years away from VF badmouthing it on social media whenever they got a chance, I guess forgiveness is really only for the majority stakeholders in the community and for nobody else. But in America, participatory ignorance is almost a goal. A felon was just elected president, and things are already heating up, from the stock market turmoil to the illegal deportations. From the highest office in the land to the people who power trip at our conventions, corruption and cronyism are the words to learn and look for. I truly have not felt respected or acknowledged by the vast majority of furry convention staff I have dealt with in my life, and I’ve been to over 50 cons all over North America. These are deeply rooted systemic issues that must be confronted through blunt public dialogue, period.
It sucks knowing I don’t fit demographically with the majority of the cis-male gay white men that make up like 85% of our community (as per furscience.ca’s findings), especially since they so vehemently defend each other, but I know I can find it in myself to continue being a furry creative separate from the biggest market for furry content globally. Without contributing to the endlessly growing American con scene. But lines can’t go up forever, and we’re already seeing some of the biggest events stagnate, plateau, or even decline. We desperately need more spaces that aren’t simply overgrown echo chambers unfriendly to outsiders who don’t subscribe to the ruling group's way of thinking. I know the right wing tried a con briefly before; the infamous Free Fur All. But that event was largely hindered by its own chair person who after 1 successful year tried to transform the con from a conservative coded event to a personality cult which resulted in most everyone on staff quitting. But the first year? FFA broke charity records. And one look at furry social media will tell you there are a LOT of straight, Christian, or even right wing furries that don’t feel welcome in the spaces the fandom currently has. So do we wait for them to create a worthy rival or do we look inward? What will the champions of furry progressiveness do when the recently established voting majority of America makes a con for their own people? Because what was truly the root of all furry? The love for anthropomorphic animals. Yet now, without the proper politics, sexual orientation, or skin color, many are finding themselves on the outside of this once accepting fandom. With how voraciously the left eats their own, it may be inevitable that furry cons and the fandom more broadly pivot to the right, but that’s an opinion for another time.
I'll end on this
This fandom has a famous aversion to becoming mainstream. Repeating cope mantras like “Keep Furry Weird!” while making the space hostile for anyone that isn’t a white twink with sexual quirks. But clearly hiding in the shadows isn’t making this any better of a space for holding people at the top accountable, so I think it’s time to take the furry fandom kicking and screaming into the spotlight. Maybe we’ll start getting some people with actual morals and values that aren’t entirely based on who they’d most like to mooch off of! I don’t know how many people joined this community because they wanted to create genuine furry content, but it feels like less and less aren't motivated by anything other than the clout big numbers can bring. I joined this fandom because furry was how I wanted to express myself through my art. What the fandom is now, is a cesspool of lust driven, clout chasing bullies. This is not what furry is about, and damn sure isn’t what it was founded to foster. Communities live and die by their ability to collaborate within themselves. Ostracization of furs for not being on a given side of an issue is how you get fragmentation while missing the heart of what truly brings us together. It’s a sad state of affairs, but our very isolated community isn’t going to be able to save itself from internal collapse if this keeps up. And until the community starts creating spaces for the innovators instead of the nymphomaniacs, it will only continue to deteriorate.

About the author
Cassidy Civet — read stories — contact (login required)a musician and Malay Civet from Port Moody, interested in music and art!
I'm a female civet! Always down for a chat, but never a cup of coffee. ;3
I am a musician and artist, as I say, a born musician and a living artist!
Been to over 50 furry cons so far, and boy do I have some things to say!
Comments
The article is written by an artist who clearly wants something out of the fandom, and thus this article should be read in that light. The edits made were light and mostly format based.
Obviously, as with any other articles submitted here that are heavily opinion based I'll refrain from sharing my opinion on the opinion for a handful of days while others discuss.
What I want out of the community is simple; basic accountability for people being honored at community run events. For con staff to take concerns of these fraudsters seriously instead of vehemently defending their own internal biased decision making.
It's really not hard to grasp. The only people who should be disagreeing with this sentiment are people who expect to benefit themselves from the obvious staff bias. People in the majority cis gay white men sect of the fandom who know this article is EXACTLY about their cliqueness.
I'm a different furry with different opinions.
I also make furry Pop music! Check it out! :D
Find me on any streaming service under "Cassidy Civet"; duh!
Of all the things you could chalk it up to, cis gay white men? For real? It's the marginalized vs. the marginalized in this fandom. Y'know, when I was playing New Vegas last night, I spent a ridiculous amount of time in Vault 19, reading those terminals from when everyone got paranoid. Then I noticed the same thing was happening with the prisoners! But, why am *I* so paranoid all of a sudden?! All the halls of this fandom look the same, the furries all spout about 5 lines, even start to look alike after a while. You've trapped yourself here, mentally, that's really what it read like. It's a "clique" but it's a clique you can just leave, ignore, move on from, eh! It's not a cult!
Kind of beside the point, but since you brought up the catchphrase, a lot of the "keep furry weird" people seem to think "being horny on the Internet" constitutes weird, and I don't know who told them that, but they were lied to.
Yes yes yes, that's been my experience too. It really sucks, and is actively killing the community. It sorta reminds me of how Pride went from being a celebration of love to (sometimes, in extreme cases) an excuse to be lewd in public spaces. We've missed the point because we're too comfortable in the status quo thinking there's nothing left to fight for. Instead of making spaces for other folks that don't fit in, now it's a process of removing people who don't tolerate every extreme. And THAT'S how you fracture a coalition and ultimately turn people against a community. "Furry" has always meant an interest in cartoon animals, and "Keeping Furry Weird" is about being as furry as possible. Period.
I'm a different furry with different opinions.
I also make furry Pop music! Check it out! :D
Find me on any streaming service under "Cassidy Civet"; duh!
Let's not be too hasty, here.
My point in ridiculing the "keep furry weird" catchphrase is merely that; ridicule. I think that their ideas of what constitutes "weird" are silly, not an existential threat to furry. I'm making fun of the fact that they seem to take inordinate amount of pride in how "outre" and "subversive" or whatever they are, when really they're usually about the level of fairly normal Valentine's Day wide theatrical release from a major studio level of kink. We could possibly have a discussion about appropriateness in certain situations, but I am going to continue to play "enlightened centrist" and say both sides need to lay off the gas pedal a bit in their rhetoric. A guy wearing a pup hood at a convention will probably not cause the end of that convention, much less furry fandom; on the other hand, the convention saying "hey, can you guys please not wear that pup hood" won't, either. Different strokes for different folks, and, like I've already said, this fandom is big enough for the both of us.
Also, on a personal level, Cassidy, I mean, I've already written one mini-essay in this comment section explaining why furry just isn't that weird, but now I'll point out, well, kinky sex just isn't that weird, either. For Pete's sake, Cassidy, you're trying to become a pop singer; if you don't think that job at least a little involves selling a frisson of illicit sexuality, I mean, you would know more than me, but, well, come on. I mean, the point of that last mini-essay was to point out that the idea "furry=weird" is a lie, but the fact remains is that its a lie people believe. And sex sells. "Kinky" sex sells better.
I was going to say you were throwing the baby out with the bathwater, but really you're more kind of throwing the bathwater out before even putting the baby in it. I mean, when it comes down to it, cartoon animals is just cartoon animals. People have seen that before, believe me. I mean, as I pointed out earlier, what I've labeled the "weird" side needs to make peace with the fact that furry has mainstream appeal, while what I've labeled as the "mainstream" side has to make peace with the fact that part of that mainstream appeal is its pseudo-taboo sexuality.
And meanwhile, most of us are too busy jerking off to Zootopia porn (it's "mainstream" and "weird"!) to realize we were supposed to pick a side. And neither side might like it, but "come to furry, we have Zootopia porn" is not a bad "hear me out" to non-furries, either.
While I think this raises several important points, it's also very clearly a personal rant which makes it difficult to know just how seriously to take it. Some parts I agree with and some parts I know a bit about but for many, this is the first I'm hearing about it and there's no links to confirm anything. This is very one sided (obviously, it's an opinion piece) but if I can't check up anything, it's tough to know what is an accurate description of events and what is biased. It doesn't help that there's a lot of quotes sprinkled throughout but what are they quoting? Who?
"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."
~John Stuart Mill~
You know, good point about those quotes. You and several others have pointed out, who is quoting who, here? I took a stand a long time ago, and as much as Cassidy claims to get banned, I've been banned from more forums for this very thing: if you're going to call someone out, call them out. Use names. Accuse people of what you know they do. Use receipts. Now, why did I eventually get banned from FAF? "Drunkposting" when I wasn't even drunk, and they'd wanted to for a long time anyway, for call-out posts.
Strangely enough, though, they always looked the other way when I dissed, say, a LupineAssassin (not sticking up for him no more after being unfriended for like the second or third time, thanks, makes my rationalizing a lot easier!) or would leave it at locking a thread meant to start a meme about TyVulpine without any infractions or anything. Now, here's when you know you're right. When they escalate to the point of doxxing your gf just to get at you, and you're in a position the threaten to sue the site!
BTW, I don't know who actually did that, but I do know this, damn near for fact - they were connected to the popufur who probably had they biggest cult of personality on FA at the time, and either they or staff (who they were buddy-buddy with anyway, the only reason they avoided so many bans until one day they just couldn't, and then shit got litigious, again!) got my ex's pics removed faster than any edit on those forums that wasn't one of my own!
Why did I get what I want that time? Probably because I was in the right, and my talk-softly, carry a big stick approach, vs the long, personalized rant. Like, if you really, really got something on these people, to make accusations of fraud, well, get them to self-doxx. See, when people go too far trying to escalate these back-n-forths, like I accuse someone of a crime, and then they go commit a crime - that's not why I made whatever callout post it was, and that's where it led. But I never got anything changed or got dirt on anybody the way Cassidy's doing. At most, I licked my own wounds.
The internet's given people this belief that a well-written, passionately worded argument should, at some point in the future, get them whatever their heart desires. Or at least vindicate them in history. Well, I'll leave you with this. Red-Savage's page views ballooned posthumously. Her walls on DA and FA were filled with shouts. Yet her submission views remain almost entirely triple-digit. What I'm saying is, you can literally die and people were merely pretend to have ever given a shit about you in this fandom when they never took even one look for one minute at any of your work! Cassidy, your personal crusade is pretty uphill for something pretty small, comparatively than what literally the entire rest of the fandom goes through. I really think Sisyphus and Jesus and dudes like that would tell you to really take a breather here, eh.
>complains about the inability of people to collaborate, to be more inclusive.
>also feels the need to repeatedly mention hatred for furries who fall into your ideal, sanitized vision of what a furry should be, repeatedly decreeing people outside that as a cesspool of nymphomaniacs or whatever
real "geez, i wonder who this sign is for" moment here. FYI, the reason people wanna keep furry weird and are chronically adverse to any sign of becoming mainstream is so they don't have to deal with people like you.
I can't really edit my comment but obviously I meant your hatred for furries who *don't* fall into your ideal (etc etc), my bad for that small typo.
I think the "Mainstream" vs. "Weird" thing is a false dichotomy, really. Both sides are eating pretty good right now. The mainstream side's got multiple cartoon animal franchises running simultaneously in multiplexes, while the "keep furry weird" crowd still have their choice of multiple large conventions, uncountable local cons/meet-ups/parties/etc. and their choice of furry sites. And the fandom's not only large enough for both groups, it's also large enough that both groups don't even really have to like each other because they don't have to much interact. I mean, it's the Internet, we're all drama queens here, so we do anyway, of course, but if we didn't want to we could avoid each other pretty handily.
Of course, Cassidy has ambitions of widespread, mainstream popularity outside the fandom, and the truth is she's going to have to realize that she's going to have to pick a side. Ironically, I think the "mainstream" would have less problem accepting the "weird" side of furry (like I jokingly commented earlier, the greatest lie the Internet ever told was convincing the world furry was any weirder than any other baseline Internet shit) than furry would have accepting the mainstream.
To be sure, there are legitimate problematic aspects of possible mainstream acceptance; but there are legitimate problematic aspects of the insular, cultish "keep furry weird" side, as well. Cassidy is trying to point these aspects out, and, well, perhaps not doing so well. The truth is right now, "keep furry weird" furry is susceptible to fraudsters and bad faith actors. Of course, I'm not saying there are not bad faith actors in the corporate world; holy shit, no, that would be stupid. But, it's a case of pick your poison, except, right now, we don't have the option to pick. And, right now, there's a bit of a stigma against picking one particular poison while pretending the other poison, well, isn't. (I was trying to keep positive in this comment; I seem to have failed spectacularly!)
Another point I want to make is that, if you're going to worry about furry losing identity due to mainstream-ification, I mean, maybe we should have thought about that before we decided to create a subculture based around anthropomorphic animals, i.e. the go-to corporate mascot since the invention of corporate mascots.
Of course, the irony is that I've been around long enough to see that this conversation has completely flipped. It used to be that, as I've alluded to, the non-furries (and especially "anti-furries") defined furry "art" as specifically created by members of the furry fandom while actual furries tried to claim everything from Aesop to Zootopia, while now (bizarre MAGA legislation attempts that always fail not withstanding) the mainstream has no problem calling Zootopia furry, while furries maintain that, as a corporate product, it's not really furry. It's gotten to the point where anything with cartoon animals is called "furry bait", as if cartoon animals is a rare phenomenon that only appeal to furries, which is demonstrably not true. Once again, cartoon animals have wide mainstream appeal, and it doesn't matter how "weird" you make furry, it still will always have to deal with that.
>thought he had some enlightening commentary on the fandom
>shot himself in the dick by showing what an annoying self-obsessed twat he is. Snrk.
My only "hatred" here is for the liars and grifters taking gleeful advantage of con staff who don't care enough to stand up for integrity in the community. I decry the "majority" because what they're pushing as "furry" isn't anything more than "being kinky in public", which is NOT what furry was founded to be.
Who this sign is for? Surprise, the furry fandom is for ALL who identify with the subculture and are creative within it's parameters. The fandom's lack of professionalism is what will be it's undoing. And the blasé attitude from people like you (probably sitting comfortably in that majority class) unable to even find the mental capacity to try and see another's perspective is ultimately indicative of the isolationism that is killing the community. No interest in mutual collective action, only scorn and judgement on the outspoken.
I'm a different furry with different opinions.
I also make furry Pop music! Check it out! :D
Find me on any streaming service under "Cassidy Civet"; duh!
Too stoned too early to read the whole thing, but the hurt and anger are palpable. I wish I was a fly on the wall so I could know who to trust or even believe here. "How little does professionalism, or even basic human decency, matter to this group of animals?" Man, you know something? I've said and thought almost these exact same words. But let me put my hate in perspective. I recently got assaulted by 4 people. I was just out for a walk, listening to some music, minding my own businesses with a guy and 3 of his friends stopped at and intersection, then started shit with me as they drove past. They kept screaming all the way down the street and I didn't even say nothing until they were almost out of sight, but they used that as a pretext to come back and try to mug me.
I wasn't going to give up what little money I had, so I lied and said I had none. They were literally going to make me kiss this son of a bitch's shoes as an alternative, and when I said not bloody likely, they threatened to stab me. I said their only options at that point were to kill me or leave. I think the main guy was about to leave, he was hesitating and even shaking a bit, but as I nodded my thought "told ya so" and went to leave, one of them went for my leg and they couldn't even get me entirely on the ground. I walk and lift weights so much, not to mention doing a lot more physical labor than your music (I'd love to do music too, even just on an amateur level, but barely have time to eat as many meals as I require for my output!) that frankly, the burning question on my mind other than how am I going to find the guy (even in this tiny town, it might prove more difficult to do it safely than I think) is, even though that's easily more blood, bruises, and sore joints than I had in my backyard wrestling days... Why do I still give it like a 2 star rating, as wrestling run-in-and-beatdowns go? Because it was a work. Where was the stabbing I was promised? Did I mention I offered forgiveness, 3 times? And that there's still a part of me that wants to forgive them?
But, that's when I'm on a joint. When it wears off, well, I'm more apt to think like you. "How little does professionalism, or even basic human decency, matter to this group of animals?" But I'm talking about the people who have bullied, stalked, assaulted me all my life and, as they did on that night, threw homophobic and racial slurs my way. I'm part Native, BTW, and also part Jewish, and, y'know, when people aren't telling me I look like Kid Rock, they're telling me I look like Jesus. I guess I take after the latter more as I age, and maybe it's the Jew in me, maybe it's the Native in me, maybe it's my determination to always, and forever, be the opposite of whatever Kid Rock is! Or maybe, it's because I'm a professional, and a human being, whose worked other jobs and been banned from a lot more places online than you over the years. I'd bet the money I wouldn't give up that night. And yet I still don't have quite the persecution complex you do here.
But, if you're serious, and it's not just hyperbole, this "human biodiversity" angle you're spinning, eh, maybe we have something in common. The fandom is so racist that it makes me wonder if we really are all different subspecies when you break it down, and we're just wrong about the particulars; "Black, white, etc;" We were clearly wrong about a lot when it came to gender and genes in general, weren't we?
But be real. You're nowhere near that deep a thinker or that persecuted a soul. Come to Middleton, Nova Scotia, or live on the streets of Truro or Kentville for a week. Then you won't be doing pussy ass pop, you'll be doing gangsta shit like me, but in the form of a Celtic ballad! Check out my little Robin Hood ditty!
f nobody could make a move then nobody would get away
Everyday we would stay in the holes right there lying in wait
Highway man come softly strolling along,
Singing a mellow song in a melody never wrong,
Then four crazy furs made a claim on their ride,
"Happy to see you good men but I'm low so do provide!"
"... Or your life..."
Little John yellin' "Kill-kill 'em all! Murda y'all - Oh, what a ball!"
Then "Robin, better dip down in the cut-n-deep there for safety - Sherrif be chasin' y'all!"
"Give it up, give it up!" When 'em know the time. Swappin' arrows out for the nines
Now it's bandit on bandit and we're like "God damn it! We had it - all! And we planned it fine!"
The cynical militant lycans are comin' to lay down the landmines
And look here they come rollin' up we invite them to dine...
... On the silver bullets in our nines...
All right, I'll accept those Patreon donos now!
I sat in a panel at a con with this person in the audience when she/they piped up in the q&a to absolutely hijack the entire thing with these insane ramblings. You could have heard a pin drop. Everyone was mortified for her but she didn't realize it. When I first sat down I realized we had had some online interaction and I could have said hi, and then I knew it was such a good decision not to.
Lol, citation? I find when I bring these things up in IRL spaces that people actually care a LOT, and that it's dishonest anonymous people like you (sitting alone in the back of the room) that lie about what actually happened in the room to push your agenda and perception of me. Don't be putting words or feelings into the mouths of other people, don't force your assumptions onto anyone. If you were too much of a coward to confront someone on their words and instead chose to bring up a one-sided experience years later to frame your own cowardice as somehow being noble, then you are the WORST kind of participant in this community. Even worse than the rampant fraudsters. But a pathetic worm with no spine to stand up for anything but a cheap shot.
I'm a different furry with different opinions.
I also make furry Pop music! Check it out! :D
Find me on any streaming service under "Cassidy Civet"; duh!
It was at Fur con a few years ago, dipshit, and nobody asked you to hijack the panel nor gave you the validation you desperately crave.
FWIW, even if I wasn't there, I believe your take and can damn near picture it. Because I've been in many a meeting like that. It was a long time ago and I don't remember who said it, maybe 2 Gryphon? But it was someone making the analogy of small towns and their yearly hee-haw festivals (I've lived most of my life in just such an area, so I totally get it) and the one I used to go to every summer has an art category. I haven't submitted anything in years and it's not even because I never win, I have, and real cash to boot! It's mainly because probably the best art teacher I ever had was on the committee and was always complaining about it, disheartened that they don't want to be more open to digital art, graphic design, anthropomorphism - the very stuff I was exposing her to and making her see the potential of. No, they always want a row of horses arses next to a row of pig's arses next to a farmer, in 3 separate frames, all submitted by the same popu-hick chick.
Yes, this is a rare example of a woman-dominated clique, but clearly, I was never allowed to sit in on these meetings, thank God! But anyway, I'm comparing the fandom to a buttfuck town because its about the size of one LOL
Let's face it, we act like it! You're seeing it right here, "live!"
This just reads like an extended callout post mixed with a personal rant about why he wishes he were more popular. When in reality, his music is just not good, he has an insane superiority complex, and has a fetish for causing drama so long as it gets him attention.
And your refusal to use my preferred pronoun is based on...?
I'm a different furry with different opinions.
I also make furry Pop music! Check it out! :D
Find me on any streaming service under "Cassidy Civet"; duh!
I'm trying to give the music and honest listen and I just ain't feeling it so far. The trouble is finding original songs. It's mostly off-key covers. That and videos about, well, this situation? I didn't realize it was a year or more ago, this whole saga.
Her music is worthless except for the entertainment value of seeing her have a giant ego about it. It's like rejected Disney demos warbled by the worst person you know and not in a fun shitty karaoke way.
Gee, I wonder who downvoted me. It was 2Cross, right? 2Cross Shakur, he's been downvoting all my stuff, probably because he thinks I'm the guy downvoting all his stuff! Yo, forget this Cassidy drama, we gotta find the snitch in this bitch!
Your perception and understanding of what a culture is and the MYRIAD communities in it is alarmingly narrow and convenient.
Yes, there is a singular over-arching culture known as furry that we're all apart of but you and thousands of other people within this culture are quite plainly inhabiting different, but not altogether separate, communities. Hell, Cons alone have dozens of communities split between them at the least. But if you don't understand that or don't want to address the ontological anxiety necessary to understand that, it's easy to make a bigoted statement like "Furries have a Fraud Fetish" when you pretend everyone in the furry fandom is either aware and complicit or unaware and uncaring. Generalizations of entire groups are "fun" and "catchy" and they grab attention but are dishonest in the sense of never telling the whole truth. Just a convenient one.
Nobody here owes you anything. Not a single community under the over arching furry fandom owes you anything.
You're entitled to your sense of justice and what is true, but you're not entitled to having others act upon it. And that doesn't make them liars. That doesn't make them uncaring. It doesn't mean they have some kind of moral failing. They well and truly can have all those attributions, but it is not inherent enough in everyone to warrant the bigoted statement in your own essay title. There is far more nuance to the furry culture, quite frankly to humans in general, than what can be conveniently stated. Which, yes, making a catchall statement like you have is bigoted. Bigotry isn't just the things done to people of color and queer people by straight white cis people.
People in minorities engage in bigotry all the time without thinking, because it's simply a matter of social conditioning. That doesn't make it okay, of course. But it's far more common, far more thoughtless, and far more varied in scope and subject matter than just what folks reflexively think of as a form of bigotry.
I don't know you, I've never followed you, but I've seen people like you. And people who act like you are the kind of people that take screen caps of things and then post them to their followers and then wash their hands of any hate or death threats that get leveled at others with the convenient excuse of "I don't control what my followers do." A flimsly correlation, I'll admit, but enough to make me not trust you with any facet of my actual online presence.
So think less of me if you like for remaining anonymous, but I actually care about myself enough to not trust you with my mental health. But that doesn't mean I wont push back against your narrow and puritanical views of what the furry community should be.
Cause the community you want, one that cares so much about professionalism, is the kind that would push inevitably push for the removal of rights and protections for queer folk everywhere, the kind that would happily forget what PRIDE is for. It would do it all for the sake of sex-negativity and making hetero-normative folks more comfortable at the expense of furry/queer folk everywhere. And maybe that's catastrophizing but...
You're also catastrophizing the state of the furry culture and its portended death. You're, from everything I've seen on this page, honest when it's only most convenient for you. And you meet dissenting opinions with the same scorn and judgment that I'm sure you yourself have faced. Though I doubt all of what leveled at you was laced with vitriol. But from what I've seen you seem to think that everyone who disagrees with you is "lacking in mental capacity." (how wonderfully ableist in the most generic sense)
If you made this essay and all your responses to the people in the comments, for the sake of changing peoples minds so that they agree with you, in hopes designed to elicit change and accountability. At best you've managed to breed a most basic form of bigotry, a fundamental misunderstanding of the scope and breadth of the furry fandom as a whole, needless cynicism, or all three.
I, and many others, want accountability to be more prevalent in the furry fandom, it would be nice to know that artists can't just take a bunch of money and run off with it only to resurface later under a different username with a convincingly altered art style, for instance. But it is not the responsibility of the culture as a whole or even individual cons and communities to meet out the justice you desire. They aren't your tools to be weaponized when YOU perceive an injustice.
Also a small side critique: Quotes are largely worthless if you can't attribute them to someone who will stand by you and what you're alleging as a whole, but we've also already covered not trusting people on the internet to level hate, harassment, and death threats so I understand why you wouldn't. You're energy would be better spent working on your rhetoric and the strength of your arguments.
I'm just not seeing where OP is a victim of any kind of bigotry, or at least that it led to their removal/ban from this con, that forum, etc. Or am I not understanding the gist of the complaint? I did go back and re-read but I really don't feel like I got much more context there than I did from skimming the first time, y'know?
I'll say this much. I'm not exactly against these kinds of personals, testimonials, rants, whatever you want to call them. When I was new to the fandom, if anything, it was more common. And if people didn't care, they had the nerve to either say "I just don't/can't care/relate" or just not waste a server's data with a shitload of unnecessary words and belabored arguments about why OP shouldn't care, shouldn't post at all, etc.
Posts like that can be a great opportunity to call out serious social issues while trying to salve your own wounds. People have been writing like that for centuries or longer, before English, even. But it's always bothered me in this fandom how people don't reach certain milestones me and some of my peers have over the decades. For example, if I'm calling out the fandom for a lack of caring that will be the death of the fandom, it's about how little we care about the disproportionate amount of furries who seem to die before their time, for a whole host of reasons (not just vehicular incidents, though that killed Red-Savage and Milo, and that was a straight up double-homicide) and if we know said furry, or if they're famous enough, we do this whole public grief spectacle, promise to turn our lives/the fandom around, etc.
Nothing ever comes of it. We lose our energy for our fallen friends very fast, but make us feel just a little individually persecuted? We get astonishingly individualistic again. And again, I'm not saying I'm inherently better, I'm just saying, at 42 it takes, well, getting mugged and assaulted by 4 white kids calling me the N-word repeatedly than some furries on an insignificant convention panel not liking me.
At my phase in life, I'm prone to assume if you don't like me, it's just because I'm too real for you, too tough for you, too adult for you, etc. And if Cassidy Civet or anyone else wants me to dig deeper into the actual history of this drama, her content, this or that song/video essay, I totally will. But I was expecting to see somebody hurting in life for real reasons which I can't see much of here, except maybe for a very tough time grabbing more than triple-digit views and double-digit subs.
Yeah, look, I'm not looking forward to starting my channel, Cassidy. I'll probably get less than you, and they'll probably like my music less but I guarantee, I still won't be trying this hard to scrape some more unless it's in a, y'know, creative way? Y'know, I did notice one thing. You're better when you got someone on guitar, but do you play any of your own? I only play a little, and some keyboard, but everyone seems to agree, you just do better when you can actually play and not just sing.
I thought LiveJournal was still a thing, cause this reads like a post straight from there. However, it has inspired conversation, which is always a good thing.
Additionally, I'm old enough in the fandom to remember that Pepper Coyote is not a saint or without drama surrounding him. Defending him without any sort of mention of his potential conflict is just being a bit oblivious or purposefully ignorant, especially in the context of the arguments presented. I'm not a fan of drama-baiting to inspire popularity, when there's definitely some quest for validation and popularity here instead of feeling like it's raising issues based out of love for the craft of music and performing.
Why are you so desperate to defend Pepper? The guy who went to a literal Nazi con? He's lucky they're allowing him to perform at conventions again at all.
I had a lot of trouble following this, if I'm being honest. I thought at first it was about fraudsters in the fandom and it quickly devolved into a rant about...Democrats and cis Christian white men? I don't really get your point. I don't know what records you are claiming FreeFurAll broke, but I don't buy that. AnthrOhio alone raised $15,000 just this year for charity and FFA had a fraction of the attendance. Honestly, if "right wing furries" are uncomfortable? Then get out. It means they are bigots and we don't want them in our spaces. Not sure what would make them uncomfortable except for the pro-LGBTQ parts since that's really what separates "left wing" from "right wing" in a furry con sense. Not like we're talking big vs. small government at AC or something, so the only thing "right-wing furries" wouldn't like is the pro-LGBTQ stance many of us take, right? If I'm wrong, tell me. What else would make a "right winger" uncomfortable at a con? Let them make their own crap cons like Free Fur All did. They'll fizzle out because maybe there are many straight white conservative furries, there are not nearly enough to sustain a furry con. They want and/or need LGBTQ, BIPOC, or other minorities, and we will NOT go to fash cons.
If you have been marginalized, I'm truly sorry for that. As a white cis gay male, myself, I'm not going to tell you that your experiences are wrong. I think it's valid to stay out of the US with our current climate. Hell, if I could leave, I would. I've not felt all that patriotic for decades now. And, yes, you're also right, this country is so broken for electing the orange moron again. We may not recover from that. That all being said, I, myself, have only witnessed acceptance of many types of people in the fandom. I have been happy to see a growing number of racial minorities at cons and gathering. I have not witnessed anyone being excluded. Again, I'm only one person. There are no doubt others who haven't had a great time in the fandom. My point is both of our experiences are anecdotal and not automatically indicative of the whole.
Also, quite frankly, I think comparing the furry fandom to the mentality of the Democratic party is ridiculous. I'm not saying there's no bias or older folks set in their ways in convention leaderships, but let's be real. These are conventions run by people who don't get paid. They spend the year planning these things. They're flawed people, as we all are. That's not to say these issues shouldn't be called out, but to paint such a broad brush stroke and say everyone in leadership does this is pretty unfair without proof.
Also, claiming cons are stagnating or losing people without also pointing out that there are new cons all the time is also unfair. Even if that were true, despite the bigger cons only getting bigger, some may be skipping a larger ones to go to a smaller one. You have no way of knowing. Also, who cares? We're not the stock market. Furry doesn't need to keep growing and growing to be enjoyable or valid. If there was only one con and 1000 furries showed up, it'd still be valid. Regardless, that's all just conjecture on your part. You can't just claim these things. You need to back them up with numbers and sources unless you just want people to see this as a one-sided rant. Also, as others pointed out, you can't quote people without saying who they are or at the VERY least saying they wish to remain anonymous. You have to at least show you made the effort to credit their quote. That's how things get verified and corroborated.
I can 100% get behind a stance of get fraudsters out of the fandom. Hell, get fraud out of the world. Screw scammers and liars.
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